Վիքիպեդիա:Բոտի կարգավիճակի դիմումներ/Darkicebot
Darkicebot խմբագրել
- Operator: simple:User:Razorflame
- Function: interwiki
- Operation: automatic as long as I am on, which is usually between 4 and 12 hours.
- Software: standard pywikipediabot updated daily.
- Has bot flags on:simple, it, es, fr, az, en, de, pt, bs, vec, ca, sv, vo, uk, ru, az, ar, ku, he, nl, hu, fi, eo, sk, ja, gl, vi, zh, pl, oc, id, an, jv
- Bot flags pending:cs, bg, be, fa, da, co, ro, ht, mr, sr, sl, ko, lt, no, tr, io, zh-yue, zh-classical, ast, bar, eu, si, so, yi, nds, zea, el, lt, tr
This bot will be making anywheres between 4 and 12 edits per minute. If you require any test edits or if you grant or deny the flag, please contact me on my talk page over on Simple English Wikipedia: simple:User talk:Razorflame. Thank you!
- I have already made a hundred or so test edits. Thanks, Darkicebot 20:22, 14 Փետրվարի 2009 (UTC)
- Պահվածք (Behaviour). Darkicebot (քննարկում • ներդրում • մատյաններ • արգելափակել)
- Քննարկում (Discussion)
Կողմ (Support)
Դեմ (Oppose)
Դեմ ― the botmaster doesn't care enough about the project to even read the policy for making requests... quite frankly I think this project has enough interwiki bots as it is. No need for another one. And more so for a bot whose owner doesn't respect the policies of the project. ― Teak 05:08, 15 Փետրվարի 2009 (UTC)
- I think that you are overreacting. I did read the policies; I just forgot to transclude the page. Secondly, a wikipedia can never have too many interwiki bots. Thirdly, I do respect the policies of your project. I am currently running test edits so that I can make sure that the bot runs appropriately. Razorflame
- You forgot to transclude the page, you also forgot to use the boilerplate, which conveniently gives userlinks, so it does seem that you didn't even care to read the policy on how to make requests. As to the number of interwiki bots, I don't really think that linking categories to categories in 200 other languages is that useful, so yes, I do think there are more than enough iwiki bots in here. In any case, that's my opinion, and you are more than welcome to disagree with it. ― Teak 05:58, 15 Փետրվարի 2009 (UTC)
- You are missing the big picture here. The whole point of me requesting the bot flag is so that it can maintain in the interwiki links. It just so happens that most of the links that it is maintaining happen to be in the Category namespace. I have it running through the articles as well, and it will update them as needed, however, you should expect them to not be very many as the total number of articles on the Wikipedia that it runs on is only 55,260ish at the moment. I just do not think that you are being very fair because you aren't thinking about the big picture, which is to have a Wikipedia with as up to date interwikis as you can have. Thanks, Razorflame 06:05, 15 Փետրվարի 2009 (UTC)
- I perfectly understand your view of the bigger picture, and still disagree with it. This is a rather small project, and is probably bound to remain so due to the small number of Armenian speakers. And I do think that having over 20 bots running on such a small project updating the iwiki links to languages that any Armenian speaker in the world is hardly aware of is an ineffective use of resources (in this case network resources, the added strain on the servers). And the utopian "bigger picture" has nothing to do with it... ― Teak 06:16, 15 Փետրվարի 2009 (UTC)
- This is a perfectly good request and you know it. You are just afraid that having too many bots on the project will make it lose its appeal or something. First off, by granting it the bot flag, you actually lower the strain on the servers because it takes less network resources to have a bot with a flag running in the background than it does a bot running in the foreground. Second, it does not matter how small a Wikipedia is if it doesn't have the bot power to properly maintain the interwiki links, which this one obviously does not. That is why my bot is adding a lot of changes to the categories and such, because you have an insufficent amount of bots to deal with them. Thirdly, it doesn't matter how many bots a project has. It won't harm you to add another one. I am just about ready to bring this up over at meta because you obviously don't have a good enough grasp on the bot policy to correctly make a good judgement on whether or not my bot is good for this Wikipedia or not. Good day. Razorflame 06:22, 15 Փետրվարի 2009 (UTC)
- Finally, it has bot flags on 33 other wikipedias at this point in time. Razorflame 06:22, 15 Փետրվարի 2009 (UTC)
- Look, you have your opinions, and I have mine. And as a member of this wikicommunity I made my decision concerning your request. And it had more to do with your not following the local policies than the mysterious big picture. I didn't take your right to run a bot on this project, my vote and opinion is only one of many. If you do get enough for votes, I'll be the first to put a request on meta for a flag (since hywiki has no bureaucrats). As to the strain of background or foreground, I don't think there is any difference, but bots in the background do make more frequent edits, so usually they add more strain. And hardly any bot would be allowed to make that frequent edits running without a bot flag. Good luck! ― Teak 06:43, 15 Փետրվարի 2009 (UTC)
- I've already done the honors of putting up a request at meta. Sorry, but I did it before this drama erupted. I had no idea that you were going to do something like this. Disregarding a perfectly good bot, in my opinion, is setting this Wikipedia up for failure. Sorry, but if you would rather see me and my bot gone, then I will leave now. I highly doubt that this project will stay open for much longer. Razorflame 06:49, 15 Փետրվարի 2009 (UTC)
- Look, you have your opinions, and I have mine. And as a member of this wikicommunity I made my decision concerning your request. And it had more to do with your not following the local policies than the mysterious big picture. I didn't take your right to run a bot on this project, my vote and opinion is only one of many. If you do get enough for votes, I'll be the first to put a request on meta for a flag (since hywiki has no bureaucrats). As to the strain of background or foreground, I don't think there is any difference, but bots in the background do make more frequent edits, so usually they add more strain. And hardly any bot would be allowed to make that frequent edits running without a bot flag. Good luck! ― Teak 06:43, 15 Փետրվարի 2009 (UTC)
- I perfectly understand your view of the bigger picture, and still disagree with it. This is a rather small project, and is probably bound to remain so due to the small number of Armenian speakers. And I do think that having over 20 bots running on such a small project updating the iwiki links to languages that any Armenian speaker in the world is hardly aware of is an ineffective use of resources (in this case network resources, the added strain on the servers). And the utopian "bigger picture" has nothing to do with it... ― Teak 06:16, 15 Փետրվարի 2009 (UTC)
- You are missing the big picture here. The whole point of me requesting the bot flag is so that it can maintain in the interwiki links. It just so happens that most of the links that it is maintaining happen to be in the Category namespace. I have it running through the articles as well, and it will update them as needed, however, you should expect them to not be very many as the total number of articles on the Wikipedia that it runs on is only 55,260ish at the moment. I just do not think that you are being very fair because you aren't thinking about the big picture, which is to have a Wikipedia with as up to date interwikis as you can have. Thanks, Razorflame 06:05, 15 Փետրվարի 2009 (UTC)
- You forgot to transclude the page, you also forgot to use the boilerplate, which conveniently gives userlinks, so it does seem that you didn't even care to read the policy on how to make requests. As to the number of interwiki bots, I don't really think that linking categories to categories in 200 other languages is that useful, so yes, I do think there are more than enough iwiki bots in here. In any case, that's my opinion, and you are more than welcome to disagree with it. ― Teak 05:58, 15 Փետրվարի 2009 (UTC)
- I think that you are overreacting. I did read the policies; I just forgot to transclude the page. Secondly, a wikipedia can never have too many interwiki bots. Thirdly, I do respect the policies of your project. I am currently running test edits so that I can make sure that the bot runs appropriately. Razorflame
So you put a request on meta disregarding meta policies as well ("Before requesting access here, make sure to obtain consensus on the local wiki if there is a community"), and while putting the request on meta, you made incorrect representation ("... there is no bot page that I can tell" - you had already made a request on the bot page here), and it seems that you don't know how to check whether there is a bureaucrat on the project or no. As I told you my opinion was only one of many in the community, but with all your lack of knowledge how things are done in wikicommunities, you made a drama out of nothing. You are right, I personally wouldn't want a bot operator with this much drama in here. Good luck with your bot elsewhere. ― Teak 14:57, 15 Փետրվարի 2009 (UTC)
Ձեռնպահ (Abstain)
The request is withdrawn due to lack of interest on botowner's part [1] ― Teak 14:57, 15 Փետրվարի 2009 (UTC)